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JackDog |
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November 07, 2012 12:28:23pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
People like you would get taken seriously if you were as upset about runaway military and intelligence spending as you are about Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. I'll bet that you didn't say a thing while Dubya was running up our debt and having deficits every single year. And you are not an Independent. You may like to tell yourself and other people that, but you're just another republican.
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William Tell |
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November 07, 2012 03:53:28pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
Ya know, JD, if we took ~ half the bucks going towards equipment that would ONLY really be useful in fighting the "last war" (ie, Cold War), that is TOTALLY unnecessary given the v different "threats" (overstated IMHO) faced by the US today, we could fund EVERYTHING ever considered in the most excessive welfare state...education, health; everything.
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micah6vs8 |
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November 07, 2012 04:20:39pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
I agree that the those who preach fiscal discipline do not often couple the domestic cuts with the cuts that effectively would end most of the American Empire and the infrastructure that maintains it. As with all of it, if we spend beyond what we are able, the whole enchilada is going to come down ugly and quick. Best sort out what we value and how, and cut loose the rest. However, we don't have such a good track record as a country when facing that question. Things seem to have to become untenable for us to face the reality.
>we could fund EVERYTHING
I do not that is possible in any society, ever- or at least for very long.
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Poster:
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William Tell |
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November 07, 2012 05:46:29pm |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
Oh yeah, way overstated there, but you get the idea...we (Arizona in particular) REALLY love our defense spending, and as you and I both are well aware, some of these "big ticket items" just really aren't going to be all that useful in the upcoming conflicts (IMveryHO, as it's a real guess of course...and like FB & MJ point out, there are some v real problems with administrating a welfare state, untoward effects, blah, blah, blah).
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Mandojammer |
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November 08, 2012 09:41:13am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
Interesting tidbit of data driven info for you PM.
Two questions from the following scenario:
If you instantaneously eliminated deficit spending (either as a matter of practice or Constitutional Amendment) AND then you applied 1 (one) QE stimulus package each year (round it to $750 BILLION) solely to retire the debt AND you left Social Security untouched:
1. How long would it take to retire the debt?
2. How much would you need to cut the remaining budget line items to support this approach?
You will find your answer to why it is nearly mathematically impossible to solve our fiscal and economic predicament.
Remember, problems have solutions. Predicaments only have outcomes.
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Poster:
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William Tell |
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November 08, 2012 10:27:18am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
Got an easy one: will consider that when one & all realize we must make age for SS & medaid PRECISELY proportional to what it was when adopted (ie, inc by 5 yrs due inc in longevity)...good to go!
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Mandojammer |
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November 08, 2012 10:47:22am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
Here's the answer because I didn't really expect anyone to do the math.
1. 20 years
Here's the kicker.
2. 80%. EVERY single budget line item (less Social Security) would need to be cut by 80%.
Cue the fat lady with the viking hat.....
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Poster:
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William Tell |
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November 08, 2012 11:39:18am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
Ha!
But, to restate the obvious, it is amazing though how ALL aspects of future budget woes do go away, LITERALLY, if you inc the age for SS/medc a few yrs (seriously--this is the EASY math).
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Mandojammer |
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November 08, 2012 11:52:18am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
All aspects of SS future budget woes go away. Increasing the SS age to 187 doesn't do anything in the long run if we continue to run deficit budgets.
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Poster:
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Finster Baby |
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November 08, 2012 03:53:49am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
I would take you more seriously if you would stick to talking about what your beliefs are and not try to tell me what my beliefs are.
You would have no way of knowing that I believe we spend way too much on unnecessary military programs, that we spend way too much time and resources being the policemen of the world, or that I am what most people would consider a wingnut for believing that we should close every military base around the world excluding those on US soil. But, please continue to tell me what my beliefs are anyway.
We are making progress though. At least you didn't insult me this time because you disagree with me.
All that aside, you do understand that military spending is something that the federal government is authorized to do under the constitution, whereas social spending is not. You do realize the difference don't you?
As for me being a republican...that is laughable. I'm too conservative for the republicans to want me or my ilk.
Republicans are no more conservative than democrats anymore.
Their agendas are different, but their means of achieving those agenda's are the same. More spending and bigger government = more power!
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Poster:
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Mandojammer |
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November 08, 2012 09:38:13am |
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GratefulDead
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Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms! |
Shit.....I believe we spend way too much on NECESSARY military programs and I've been in the belly of that beast for 33 years.
I also believe we spend too much on every other line item in the discretionary and mandatory portions of the budget. The only difference is the degree at which I would cut each line item. Some would die, some would get pruned.
And I am more conservative than you. When I look left the only person I see is Genghis Khan.
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